presidency. pick up the pieces and guide us toward a better future. >> senator sanders. >> when i was chairman of the senate committee on veterans affairs, i tried to get through the most comprehensive piece of veteran legislation in modern american history. i failed. i had two republicans to vote with me in the senate. we have to go back to the drawi drawing board. i worked with john mccain. i did not get in the legislation working with mccain all that i wanted. but it turned out we were able to pass a very significant piece of legislation including $5 billion more for the veterans administration. a more recently i worked with a very conservative republican from utah. mike lee. and he understood, we disagree on everything, that the u.s. involvement in the saudi led war

in yemen was a catastrophic disaster for the people of yemen. and for the first time in 45 years, we were able to get the war powers act utilized and gt u.s. the gets voets to get the u.s. troops out of that area. but i think at the end of day, what i appreciate is that we have got to end the hatred that trump is fostering on our people. the divisiveness. trying to divide us from our skin and where we were born. or sexual orientation or religion. there is no job i would under take with more passion than bringing our people together around an agenda that works for every, man, woman and child in the country. rather than the corporate elite and the 1%.

progress agenda that stand for all. is the way we transform the country. >> senator warren. >> you ask about a surprising friend. for me it would be charles freed. 27 years ago, when i was under consideration for a job, he was someone who had been george bush the first solicitor general. a deeply principled republican. and we didn't agree on much. i was far more liberal than he was. he also was willing to listen to my work about what's happening to america's middle class. and charles engaged with it over and over and is the person who made sure i got the job. i grew up in oklahoma. i have three elder brothers they served in the military. two of the three are still

republican. i love all three of my brothers. and there are a will the of things we're divided on. there are core things that we believe in together. we want to see all of our children get a good start in life. we don't want to see any of our friend or neighbors not get covered by healthcare. we're willing to get out there for the things we believe in. look, people across this country whether they are democrat, independent or republican, they know what's broken. they know that we have an america. that's working better and better and better. for a thinner and thinner and thinner slice at the top. and leaving everyone else behind. people across the country regardless of party. are ready to say, no more. we want an america that works for everyone. 2020 is our moment in history. it is a deep honor to be here to

be in this fight. i know what's broken, i know how to fix it. we are building a grass roots movement to get it done. that includes everyone. >> thank you senator, warren. vice president biden. >> this is reassuring. in the fact that we're all acknowledging that we have to reach across the aisle. get things done. no other way to get it done in this country. the two people maybe surprise you the most were john mccain. he worked for me. in the navy. he was my assigned to me to travel around the world. we became close friends. became very close friend with my wife. visit our home and there with his children. on his death bed he asked me to do his eulogy. i would say you didn't see a war you never wanted a fight. he said you never saw a problem you didn't want to solve. he was a great man of principle. honorable. and one of the thing that's the reason i'm running. we have to restore the soul of

the country. that's why i'm doing this. this president has ripped the soul out of this country. divided us in ways that are outrageous. a liar, he cheats, he does not do anything to promote people generally. secondly, we have to rebuild the middle class. the only way is reach 'krsz the aisle. my dad said a job is about more than a paycheck. it's about dignity. we have to unite the country. folks it's time we stopped walking around with our heads down. we're in a better position than anywhere in the world to own the 21est century. get up. there is the united states. there's nothing we can't do when we decide we're going to do it. nothing at all. period. >> candidates. thank you. that concludes the fourth democratic presidential debate. we thank the university for hoetsing us. stay tuned for special coverage of tonight's debate with jake

tapper and chris cuomo. >> hello, everyone. i'm jake tapper in ohio tonight a shift in the dynamic on stage. whatever democratic voters out there might think. it seemed clear who the democratic presidential candidates think is the front runner. senator warren. she was the one taking most of the incoming fire this evening. as all of the candidates made their case on healthcare and foreign policy. and impeachment and who among them can beat donald trump. i'm here with chris cuomo. we'll be joined by several candidates. let's bring in the team of great political mind and get thoughts. john king. your take away? >> i agree the candidates on the stage clearly thought it was in

their best interest to go after warren. medicare for all and economic views and the idea they think especially from the moderates too far left. we'll take the country in way you can't win in ohio. and across the midwest. vice president was an after thought. joe biden. in this debate. in the early debate he was the front runner. there's a lot to talk about. the aggressive posture from klobuchar, buttigieg and booker. a three way race at the top with warren, biden and sanders. someone has an opportunity. the three of them and especially the two moderate candidates klobuchar and buttigieg much more aggressive and essentially going after warren. and sanders. saying you can't do this the democratic party can't win this way. can they sell that to vote erts that's the question. much more passion and ideology. >> that's right. folks worried ab sanders and whether or not he can stand on

stage for three hours after a heart attack. klobuchar i thought this a great night. fantastic lines. against warren saying reality check. that's what it was all night for elizabeth warren. people trying to attack her on healthcare. she was weak on healthcare. she was better on the wealth tax. pete was fantastic against gabbard. and against o'rourke on the issue of syria. as well as guns. we'll see if he can make a move in broaden the base. we know he's good with college educated white voters. we'll see if he made a difference. >> what's interesting is buttigieg, klobuchar, they are vying for votes that joe biden has in supporters he has. center left voters. you don't get them going after joe biden. you draw a contrast with the front runner elizabeth warren and establishing yourself as

credible alternatives to her. it could be at bidens expense. >> the attack that -- actually joe biden attacked elizabeth warren at one point. which we're not used to him going on the attack. he wants everyone to get along. he said vague. it was very clear that she he meant she was vague on explaining how she'll pay for medicare for all. and that was a refrain. we heard from klobuchar. pete buttigieg i think had a strong night. in some ways, buttigieg explains biden better than biden explains biden. they were on the same wavelength. buttigieg is so crisp and sharp. biden has problems that way. she was clearly elizabeth warren was the one being attacked. not joe biden. as much as warren. >> what do you think? the general question.

was elizabeth warren able to take a punch? this is the first time we really saw people going after her. and her proposal. >> she was. she was strong throughout the didn't. probably the weakest in the very beginning when there was a pile on. on medicare for all. but by the end she seemed not just capable of taking a punch by landing a counter one at the same time. when joe biden made that crack about you were good enough at your job. when he was talking about setting up the cfbp the federal agency warren -- >> you did a good job. >> it was like a likable enough hilary moment. women see that and just cringe. everybody had that sort of moment in a workplace. we saw it on the debate. she used it well. >> elizabeth warren. mortal. mortal. somebody grab the cape and pulled on it. and survived. pete, klobuchar. the moderates said enough. we're tired of the woke no,

ma'amics. we want to have a voice. pete got a new candidate in the race. pistol pete. passionate pete. not polite. he was tough on syria. he was tough on guns. went back at folks. i thought you might see a match up going forward of if biden fades between a pete and a warren. it will be interesting. i was so glad to see bernie. i was surprised of feelings i had to see him out there. to do a good job and be able, frankly this guy had more energy and coherent than biden. he had a heart attack and is older than biden. >> newly repaired. >> he's probably in better shape now. he had the surgery. >> i thought he did a great job tonight. a lot of people don't give him the credit he deserves. anybody can walk out there that did what he did deserves credit.

pete did his thing. >> a lot of times he doesn't get enough credit. it is impressive for the people who want talk about age and health. he's passionate and clear on his positions as ever. i think that actually everybody is getting better. that's what it seems like. there wasn't a lot of times there's stumbles and biden had a good night. maybe his best night. some is because he wasn't in the cross hairs. we wasn't fending off a lot. at the same time he was coherent throughout. and i think warren did a good job being in the cross hairs and it was a pile on. everybody was going after her. it wasn't flawless. she dodged a bit on paying for medicare for all. over all she still came out very strong. and i think that mayor pete had a great night and klobuchar really for anybody who spent time with her you saw the amy

klobuchar you know. she's funny and very smart. and aggressive. that really came through. >> the thing about both of them is for three debates they would not engage with their opponent. they wouldn't take warren on directly on medicare for all. they skirted around it. and i think for both of them it was really important for buttigieg he has goodwill. and he's doing well in iowa. moving into iowa. there is a question about can he be the alpha dog? and tonight by engaging as he did, he took a big step forward. whether it's enough i don't know. >> he engaged o'rourke. they had a huge spat over guns. we predicted they would. >> his history of veteran. the meaning of syria. one ocht best moef the best mom

night. >> sanders had a strong night people thought. he said that he's going to be having an event in queens. where he has a special guest. and cnn learned that special guest is going to be congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. the freshman from that part of new york. endorsing sanders. and i'm told sources say that omar and congresswoman ta tlaib. from minnesota and michigan will be endorsing sanders. even if he's not a headline this evening. he has headlines coming. >> extension of what we see tonight. debate of who will lead the party and where the party is going to go. which part of the party will lead the party into the 2020 election. they are more of the younger fresher face. more aggressive and liberal. less compromising. less talk about working with republicans. and one of the questions for

sarnd has been in a different race. can he find a lane to victory. there's no doubt in the fund raising and the depth of the support. is it in the teens or 20s. that will help him. it will also i think senator klobuchar coming in to join us now. have the candidates say wait a minute. is this too far left? is this too uncompromising. is it too urban and internet. do they need a broader audience. >> as we wait for senator klobuchar to get miked up. >> go ahead. >> i want to say something about sfart klobuchar. maybe you can listen. the thing to me tonight as you have aoc endorsing sarnd. maybe. the thing tonight is the moderates fighting back. and the moderates saying as klobuchar said, your idea is not the only idea. i don't know if that was planned

line. >> we'll turn our attention. >> which lines. let's analyze everything. >> you were more aggressive this evening. you can acknowledge that. challenging. >> i won't do a strategic analysis. i have said i don't want to be the president for half of america. i want to be the president for all of america. people are tired of the noise and non-sense and extremes. they have a home with me. a home where i have won consistently in the midwest. but i'm someone that has gotten things done. passed over 100 bills as a leader democrat. it was time to make that point as well as the fact there's not just one idea out there. there are many. i would have loved to talk about a bunch of other things like free college. i think there's a smarter way for us to bring people with us. with bold ideas. >> senator booker seemed upset.

distressed. that there were disagreements going on on stage. and people were saying things that could be used against the nominee. how much did that thought come across your head? >> i thought it was an excellent debate. it was a cordial debate. with 12 people go. people were warm to each other and have disagreements on policy. that's what this is about. do i wish we would have focussed more on economic issues? sure. talk about education. there will be other times. what we have to remember is that if we're going to bring people in and win big, we have to focus on the things that matter to them. take the case to donald trump. and also understand that there's not just one way of doing business. and just because you think something different. i don't want to kick 149 million americans off health insurance in four years. that doesn't mean that my ideas aren't good.

and we really need to make the point. too many times elizabeth and others say you're not fighting for things. that's not true. i'm fighting for a better way to get it done. >> how do you respond from the criticism from progressives. how do you respond when you call medicare for all a pipe dream. that you're not going to take advantage in terms of motivating young progressives to get them out to vote. >> first of all the one candidate that led a ticket that had the highest voting turn out in the country on that stage, me. last time. huge turn out with young people. in the state of minnesota. and we did it focuses on issues that matter to them. including making college affordable. doing something about gun safety. something about climate change. the facts don't hold that up. they don't hold it up. >> your passion was a different

gear. you may not know it. it was obvious. and i wonder are you afraid that the party is going in a direction that will get us killed here in the middle of the country? is there something you're aware of. td ideas that has you afraid? >> let me make clear. i have respect for elizabeth. and she had good ideas. i love she's joining me in talking about antitrust and the tech companies. that is all great. my key here is that we must come together in the end. she's a person that will do that. we have to figure out who the best candidate. i think it's me. i'm not one bit worried about that. i think we have debates for a reason. and in the end we can come together. >> can i ask. this is the fourth debate. you have been on the all four debate stages. you had a great night. you're in danger of not being on the next stage. why haven't people heard this

message through the other debates and through this year of campaigning? >> i love to say i tried. come on. i announce my candidacy in a blizzard. >> that was hard core. >> i made it clear i had grit and i was keeping this up. i come from the state not as big as theirs. a lot less name identification. i didn't have huge lists i didn't run for president before. i didn't plan it. i was doing my job in the u.s. senate. we don't need the loudest voice in the room. >> i can change those numbers. if people just sign up. >> do you think senator warren answered the question about how she's going to pay for medicare for all? >> not even close. bernie has answered that question. he's made that clear. and i think -- >> taxes. >> she needs to do. >> her answer basically is i'm not going to answer that

question. so it's used in a republican clip. if i'm the nominee. but we all know what she's saying. maybe everybody here maybe not necessarily voters. we know she's saying look, costs for middle class people will go down. but taxes will go up. not as much as they are playing in premiums and out of pocket expenses etc. >> first of all. she should just put it out there. we have a president that added trillions of dollars in debt. that will matter in the general election. i plan on focusing on that. he had a tax bill that he boasted about. that added over a trillion dollars in debt. we need to show that we keep the promises. and we'll windhittle away at de. i have shown how i will pay for everything i put out there. we have to be accountable for that. show your math. >> i have to take a break.

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all right. a big night here in ohio. joined by mayor pete buttigieg. good buzz about your performance. why do you think? >> hi an opportunity to demonstrate the message in my campaign and the idea kwaent wait. we have an opportunity on issues from immigration to economic to guns to climate to make something happen. we can't get caught up in purity tests or fighting each other. we have to make it happen. i was glad i have the opportunity to lay out the differences that i have. with my competitors and drive fard forward a message to unify the country and advance it at the same time. >> we have to beat somebody in the form of the president. here's why i think the timing is now. here are the choices. warren was a target. why? >> her vision tries to get that purity. and at the same time we can do really bold things right now. but not if we get caught up in

that. take something like medicare for all, when we propose medicare for all who want it. the idea is that we trust the american people to choose. if we can deliver that and everybody gets care. public or private. >> it only means if you can afford it. a means test. >> it's not true. we'll make sure everybody can get covered. that's the point. the difference is if you want the private coverage. there's a lot of union members who negotiated for private coverage. it's good it's part of the compensation. why command them to adopt a public plan. if it's better. for most people it will be. if it's better everybody will migrate to it on their own. for some reason it's not, we'll be glad we didn't command them to switch. the more americans understand the difference between the views on this. the more they'll understand where i'm coming from is incredibly bold. and the sense it's the most

aggressive and results oriented thing we have done. on healthcare in 50 years. unlike medicare for all doesn't -- >> the general election will be about the best healthcare plan? >> it will be big. we hear it as an issue all the time. people want to know how their personal lives are going to be affected by politics. here in ohio it's about jobs. the economy. not just how the economy is doing as numbers on a page. it's how the economy is doing for us. people sitting at home. trying to figure out how to make end meet. pay the bills. cost of retirement and health insurance. education. even when the dow jones is looking good. it's not working that way r for us. people want to know how the decisions are affecting them. >> one more question. the idea of the moderators asking bernie how he feels. legit question. talking to bernie and biden and warren about age.

legit. gabbard being the youngest. i thought you were going to jump in and say listen, it's not about health it's about perspective. you always say i don't sigh things the way people see things. you didn't jump in. why? >> that's my view on this. anybody at any age can prove they're healthy enough for the presidency. by surviving the campaign. this is about vision. what i did every chance tonight was explain how my vision is different. i don't believe we can go back to normal. or fighting is all it takes to move us forward. of course we have to fight for what we believe. >> the counter stick is where you get the confidence? joe biden, i've done it. bernie i kept it from happening. warren i've done both. they say you're young. you don't have the bonefied. >> you don't go from mayor of indiana and a presidential candidate in months if there's not something moving people.

there's stuff i can talk about. governor and military. vision matters the most. this is where our count is headed. i'm asking people to picture the first day. there's so much more focus on him. we have to beat him. this is a competition. to be the president who will move america past the trump era. that will take a lot. the ability to unify the american people. >> i have a question. specifically on senator warren's answer to you on medicare for all and how she'll pay. broadly. why did you think it was so important to go after senator warren tonight in way that you haven't before? >> people really need to understand the difference in policy. and the difference in vision. medicare for all is being sold to a lot of folks who think it means medicare for all -- >> that differences. >> people aren't getting it. tonight was my opportunity to lay it out.

if people didn't understand that. that could mean i have to do more week. as i did tonight. most americans who want medicare for all say they want it alongside the option of private plan. which is what i'm proposing. not what warren is proposing. i have to do my job and lay out the difference and educate folks on the plan. >> her answer to your question about whether or not she would raise middle class taxes in order to pay for medicare for all. she said i will not sign a bill into law that doesn't lower costs for middle class families. is that an answer? >> it wasn't a yes or no. you can see there's a gaping hole in the plan. she has a plan for everything. not this. >> she went further saying she wouldn't sign a law that raises cost. >> still did nothing to explain what's going to happen to taxes and even with a middle class tax increase in senator sanders proposal. which she is supporting. there's a gap of trillions and

trillions of dollars. no explanation for where it will come from. we can deliver healthcare for everybody. we can deliver college for low and middle income students free. we can deliver all of these ambitious proposals that will make peoples lives different. without breaking the bank. that means being smart about what we're promises up front. it's the difference between me and warren and others. >> you mention that purity test. not something you think the democratic party should be -- what is warren applying in this race? >> the idea that medicare for all doesn't count unless it obliterates plans. it will turn off american voters. when we have an opportunity to do something huge. if we can deliver a public alternative where every american gets public coverage or private. nobody gets left behind. that is the biggest thing since the invention of medicare

itself. the idea that doesn't count unless we also obliterate the private plans. the idea that major immigration reform doesn't count unless we decriminalize border crossing or a major package on gun law doesn't count unless we go fur. this gets us trapped where we could wind up with nothing at all. >> the question was about big structural change vs. getting things done in an evolutionary way. you said it was a false choice. you're saying the purity test might make it harder to defeat trump. >> the purity will make it harder to unify the american people. it's about what comes next after winning an election. by definition we're all competing to be that president. picking up the pieces as the country figures out what to do next. we have a chance to tackle in a big way. the problems that have gone

unsolved for decades. and we can do it without deepening the division and polarization. issues we have been on defense there's a new american majority to do something real on guns and immigration. to do something bold on health. and there's folks on the stage saying none of that counts unless you go further. we have enough polarization and division. and in action in the country now. >> you have arrived at this point by increasing standing through funding and polling. a out of nowhere candidate. how to you get to the next step that will allow you to see a coalition. that includes non-white voters and non-college educated. places where you are struggling. >> number one is make it possible for people to picture how their lives are different with me as president vs. any competitor. some of this that is big culture things for the country. establish a sense of belonging.

and policy that are going to deliver for people and not further divide us. tonight was an excellent opportunity for me to make it clear. in the context of healthcare and a lot of different areas. that's what we have to do. that and of course a big part is ground game. we have the most field offices in iowa. terrific teams in new hampshire and nevada. south carolina. that will be engaging more voters on the campuses. reaching out in diverse communities and inviting them to be a part of the campaign. our job is of course go in and close the deal. >> do you believe that everybody on the stage can beat trump? >> i'm not so sure. in order to win and in order to deserve to win, we have to answer the fundamental problem that donald trump took advantage of to take over the republican party and get elected and find a way people can see where they fit and unites the country. we're never going to win everybody over. it means a lot with progressive

proposals i'm getting republicaning saying they would support me. they're disgusted with what's happening in the trump white house. >> you must know if you don't hear it yourself, the main dialogue in your party is who beats trump. i don't know that biden can beat trump. warren is coming up. sanders can can't do it. that's the conversation. would it be helpful to about coming to the nec next level of saying i like so and so. but they cannot beat trump arguing what they are arguing right now. i know how to win. i maybe young. i'm smart, here's how. is that needed? >> yeah. i was in the backyard in new hampshire. a guy after my stump speech said you seem great. but i would vote for my neighbors dog if i thought they could beat trump. this is an important issue on voters mind. explain why you deserve to be president and work for why that

will help you win. i'll explain why i'm best positioned to beat trump. i'm embracing bolder forms that don't mean alien ating a huge chunk of people. every time the democratic party has won, at least in the last 50 years. it's been with somebody from a new generation. calling america to higher values. including people in the coalition. and somebody who hadn't been ant national scene too long and wasn't a product of washington. every time we have done something different we come up short. >> you look like you were getting so much off your chest. i don't mean need a lesson from you political or personal. >> i had to make my point and move onto what's important. we unify and take it to the nra. we have them where we want them. we have an opportunity. it's personal for everybody on

the stage. >> that wasn't just about the nra. >> moving forward. and getting past the politics. and making something happen. the idea that we are able to deliver on assault weapons ban and universal background check and red flag laws that have been talked about. for as long as i can remember. that is an amazing thing. we have to focus on that. i took the opportunity to restore the focus. >> appreciate you being with us. congratulations on tonight. making it through. it was history. we have never seen 12. and probably won't see it again. thank you for joining us. >> all right. corey booker got seated next to jake tapper. we'll get perspective. we'll be right back here in ohio. after this break. ♪

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welcome back with me as you can see is new jersey senator corey booker. thanks for joining us. it did seem like the there's a lot of criticism of elizabeth warren. especially coming from candidates that might be vying for the more of the moderation -- the moderate lane. buttigieg and klobuchar.

i'm not asking you to be a pun dit. were you surprised? >> everybody has to defend their record. what you say about other people says more about you. i want to be one of the people on the stage reminding folks we can fight over policy issues and who has the better idea. in a way that ultimately we can unify at the end of this and stand together. i saw this last election. i thought that was a really weakness in our party. we couldn't come together. after our primary. >> you seemed distressed about it especially after beto o'rourke seemed to suggest that warren wanted to punish billionaires. it wasn't just a wealth tax. she was being punitive. >> we have a serious tax problem in the country. and letting the wealthiest continue to get tax break after tax break. straining the reality in the

country that we need revenue. we have major deficit problems and we need to invest in each other. infrastructure, education. research and development. talking about that is important. i want to keep coming back to the fact the timpdifferences ben us in democrats are so small. compared to the goal and the president of the united states. how we can treat each other is coming together or play to the benefit of donald trump. i don't want to give him any advantage. of doing the work of the rnc. we have to have differences but in a way that we can unify after this election. >> we're getting closish. to iowa. >> the top three candidates are warren, biden and sanders. state by sate. suggest it's consistently stayed those top three. why have you had trouble breaking through so far?

>> every presidential election of my lifetime, the person who goes onto the presidency is at this point polling behind. jimmy carter, clinton. and obama. it was like ten to 20 points behind. that doesn't worry me. what worries me is the team we're building in the early primary states. we lead in endorsements in iowa and new hampshire. building an organization and one of the top two. if we can keep raising money which will be the biggest issue. that's why we're inviting people who want me to stay in. go online. raise the money and field the team we can do what so many other presidential candidates have done. john keri polling 4% goes onto the nomination. upset by obama. carter and clinton. this will be won by the people who have the best organization and a message of unity. a message of civic grace. and the spirit that can unify the party.

but the difficult work of healing in the nation. bringing people together. people are tired. republicans tell me this. tired of the white house. this is fatiguing this soul of the country. we're yearning in the same way after richard nixon the people yearning for a candidate that talked about grace. as carter did. that's the spirit that i'm trying to bring to this. if people want to fight fire with fire. i ran a fire department as a mayor. it's not the best strategy. i'm in this race because i believe that we need to restore ideas of civic grace and create american majorities to beat trump. that's out of the valley. we need to get to the the mountain top. create the larger american majority necessary to do that. the spirit of healing and unity. >> i have more questions. i'm being selfish. let me bring in colleagues. >> you were the one guy up there that kept sticking up for women. why was that important. also the only candidate that

keeps talking about poor children. poor children can't vote. i don't think you are pandering. >> i was at this rally in front of the supreme case after the alabama case. i got angry. the crowd it was like five or ten to one women to men. this cannot be an issue for women to fight alone. guys can't say i'm fighting this issue i have a daughter or wife or sister. no. this is about the ability for someone to control their own body. women -- >> the second point is one that we have known each other since law school. i moved to newark. the non-profit i was going to found was all about young kids. >> i remember that. >> it was about children in poverty. my hero out of college. we live in this nation it's a shame. it is violence poverty. you know this. it's a point of trama for children.

poor children are more likely to have environmental hazards or suffer from addiction. do worse in school. and we don't talk about this. 20 years. >> you try to be the moral voice. it comes weird to people because it's such a culture. do you think sometimes people misunderstand it? because you are talking about hugging babies and kids. does hrt you trying to become the nominee? >> we laugh about this in iowa. we do the town halls i was running up to the stage and he says dude punch donald trump in the face. that's a felony. bad idea. we don't get away with that often. >> a lot of people in the democratic party are mad. they're angry. >> i'm mad and angry. >> not just at trump. but democrats for being too corporate. democrats for being too

compromising. your message of peace and love and harmony. does that message play with individuals? >> we cannot mistake strength for being cruel. toughness for being mean. there is the documentary about me called street fight. you cannot win against a machine. if you are not strong and tough. the spirit is important. we didn't beat bull in birmingham. by bringing bigger dogs and fire hoses. the leader call to the moral imagination of a nation. that help us understand. we have a president that got as many votes at mitt romney did. king said the problem is not just the words and violent actions of the bad people. it's the silence and in action of the good people. we need in the nominee from the democratic party is someone to engage, ignite and excite our party. i can do that. i'm the toughest fighter.

i have a record for taking on this nations most difficult problems that people said couldn't solve. in the inner gritty city of newark. not me solving them. we solve them. that's the spirit. >> sometimes watching you in the senate, you have been angrier. kavanaugh. you have been angry. >> i remind people on the stump. >> you can do it. >> >> but then there is this candidate who is sort of like the middle child of the democratic party, saying, well, why can't we all get along in this family? so it's a little bit of a different cory booker than the cory booker many of us have -- >> not so at all. >> --- watched or not? >> as a guy who was writing about in college the fact that we have things that should make us angry. i get a question often asked is what was your biggest political mistake when i'm on the stump. i tell them about the horrific realities of urban violence in newark and how i've made

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we're back. we have with us california democratic senator kamala harris. senator, thanks so much for ing. we really appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> did the dynamics on the stage

feel different. it felt like a lot more people were going directly at senator warren as opposed to vice president biden, including you. >> well, the dynamics on the stage are the reality, i think, and probably a source of frustration for everybody is we get 1:15 to have very serious conversations about topics like syria, health care, and i think the reality, then, is that everyone fights for their time to try and be heard and condense what oare complex subjects intoa 75-second answer. >> so one of the topics you chose to talk a lot about, especially confronting senator warren on was your push, your call for twitter to suspend the account of president trump. why was that important? >> what's important about it is this, jake, and i say this as a former prosecutor. you have to take seriously witness intimidation. you have to take seriously an attempt to obstruct justice. you have to take seriously a threat to a witness and really

to their safety and potentially their life. and when you're talking about donald trump, he has 65 million twitter followers. he has proven himself to be willing to obstruct justice. just ask bob mueller. you can look at the manifesto from the shooter in el paso to know that what donald trump says on twitter impacts people's perceptions about what they should and should not do. we're talking about a private corporation, twitter, that has terms of use. and as far as i'm concerned and i think most people would say, including members of congress who he has threatened, that he has lost his privileges and it should be taken down. the bottom line is that you can't say you have one rule for facebook and you have a different rule for twitter. the same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. they are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has to

stop. >> he is the president of the united states, and i would -- you know, you might argue, first of all, he doesn't -- >> he does not have a right to commit a crime because he is president of the united states. he does not have the right to threaten witnesses and threaten their safety because he is president of the united states. in fact, that's the very problem with donald trump. he thinks he's above the law, and we cannot keep reinforcing that. and anyone who wants to say, well, this is a matter of free speech, you are not free to threaten the life of a witness. that is a crime. >> but how did he threaten the life of a witness? by calling for -- >> the way that he has talked about this -- the whistle-blower. >> whistle-blower? >> absolutely. >> you think that puts the whistle-blower's life in danger? >> i absolutely do, and let's remember this has actually been the subject of certainly discussion in the open about what should be the precautions that are taken to ensure the safety of the whistle-blower because of a concern about these threats. >> so without disputing that,

let me ask you, but then there's a slippery slope, right? does that mean anybody who writes about the whistle-blower, anybody who questions the credibility of the whistle-blower, that they shouldn't have their articles, their statements on twitter read also? i mean that's where it all starts heading. >> i think that is a fine conversation for a law school debate, but that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about actual words issued by the president of the united states, unfiltered, which have clearly been threatening the life of witnesses to what might be a crime. >> and so the other argument that i saw some democratic operatives on twitter asking is why is this something that an ohio voter, a columbus, ohio, voter or voter in michigan or iowa or michigan would care about as opposed to other issues you would talk about on the stump? why talk about this tonight? >> because it came up. because it came up, and while we're on the subject of the responsibility of big tech and

while we're on the subject of what should be regulation and oversight, what should be standards for operation, what should be an understanding that they have an outsized ability to influence perception, such as what happens when facebook issues ads that are clearly false. >> mm-hmm. >> such as when russia uses social media and social networks to influence the election of the president of the united states. we have to have a very serious conversation about what should be the rules placed on these private corporations. and in that context, twitter has a responsibility. >> this is the first debate since the impeachment inquiry began. did that change the dynamic onstage at all? did it change the focus at all because obviously it's no longer just talk at the house of representatives. they are actually beginning an inquiry on impeachment. >> i mean i think that throughout the last 2 1/2 years but certainly since the impeachment process has started,

justice is very much on the ballot in 2020, and it is a matter of whether the rule of law matters in the united states, whether we are going to be true to the intent of the framers, which is that there will be checks and balances when there is an abuse of power by any branch of government. these are all concepts that go to the heart of our democracy, which is that our democracy -- the strength of our democracy is that we respect the rule of law, and we fight for justice. and the impeachment inquiry fundamentally is about that. >> you're on one of the few committees in washington that is known for having a good bipartisan way of working, the senate intelligence committee. >> yeah. >> are there concerns that you're hearing from republican senators that they are not voicing publicly? are they as alarmed or at least somewhat more alarmed than we are being led to believe they are about the fact that according to the president's own words, he did ask a foreign country to investigate joe

biden? >> i'll let them speak for themselves and hopefully they will speak publicly. i know in private situations when there are not tv cameras and reporters, that they roll their eyes and that they know that this is particularly when we're talking about a tax on our intelligence community and the ir integrity of its work, when we're talking about unilateral action about removing our trips from syria in a way that has given no one notice and is now leaving the kurdish fighters who fought with us to defeat isis to slaughter. you know, you've seen publicly that there have been republicans that have said this is wrong, and i applaud them for that. but, you know, again, this is just a matter of a president in donald trump who has put his ego, his fragile ego yet again ahead of the interest of the american people and in this case national security because let's be clear about something. we were in syria not for

humanitarian purposes. we were in syria because it was a counterterrorism -- >> to go after isis. >> yes. and despite what donald trump said, isis was not defeated. and so now what has happened is that we have given at least 10,000 isis fighters -- donald trump has -- a get out of jail free card. what we now have is we have sold out the kurdish fighters, thousands and thousands of whom died to help us defeat isis, and we have empowered russia, iran, assad, and isis. they're the winners in this. >> where are you headed now? where is your campaign going now? >> i'm going to iowa. >> going to iowa? i've heard of it. >> i'm going to iowa because -- >> i heard somewhere that -- >> i'll be in dubuque tomorrow. >> senator harris, thank you so much. good luck out there. we're going to go to chris cuomo who has andrew yang.

chris? >> exactly right. exactly right, jake. thank you very much. good to have you with us. so how do you feel it went for you up there tonight? >> i thought it went phenomenally well. i just want to give full credit to the cnn moderators for talking about the seriousness of the fourth industrial revolution in automation. we're here in ohio, and ohio has lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs and went eight points to donald trump in the last election. >> but that's a good story, but it's not the reality. that's what senator elizabeth warren said. innovation, you know, sounds good, makes a great story. not why we're losing jobs. >> the studies i've seen say the exact opposite. but i had an exchange with elizabeth during one of the breaks, and i said -- i think audibly, i said, i have the data. so she said to me, i want to see the data. and i was like, fantastic. so hopefully we'll get her the studies that i've been referencing for months now. >> so this line of questioning is actually going somewhere, i

promise. if you know that the data is obvious, that when you look at most of the things online, it's somewhere between six and eight of every ten jobs we've lost in the manufacturing sector they say is innovation. this came as a novelty to us about ten years ago when this thinking started because we all thought it was just straight wages and selfish companies. seems like warren wants to go back there because it can't be about a fair difference of opinion on the data, andrew, because i don't think you could come up with a lot of data on her side of this. can you? >> you know, i certainly give her the benefit of the doubt. but the fact is if you go to a factory here in ohio, you'll find wall to wall robots and machines. and even this gm struck, the uaw strike that's on right now, it's tied to the fact that they're shifting towards electric cars that have fewer parts and so need fewer workers to put them together. even the uaw strike is an automation story. >> so here's why i'm asking, because if her theory of the case is corporations are bad -- she said tonight corporations

don't care about people. they care about their bottom line. now, with fairness to them, they didn't come out with that new motto lately, i'm smiling because they've got to prove a lot more before we can believe their new motto. but if that is the push for the democratic party, corporations bad, tax, tax, tax the rich, and that's how we'll get free everything, you think that beats this president? >> you know, we've set up a system of capitalism that's very, very good at maximizing the bottom line for big companies. but now that bottom line doesn't match up to the lived experience of most americans. so what we have to do is go to the american people and say, look, we get it. this economy has left millions of our fellow americans behind. it led to donald trump being our president. and here's how we're going to rebuild. here's how we're going to put resources directly into your hands so that you're going to think your kids have a better future ahead of them and a more secure future. if we fail in that, then we will lose to donald trump. >> the challenge in politics is

often what is criticized in the campaign is what winds up being most practical in governance, which the old expression, you can't paint in poetry, you govern in prose. that works in policy. are you worried if the democrats buy into in their nominee an idea of revolutionary thought and transitional change, that it's not what the party really wants, which is a return to normal and things that they understand. >> i mean i get it. the fact is our economy is transforming in fundamental ways before our eyes, and it's very, very hard to keep pace. and it's very natural and human for us all to try and reach back to some more comfortable past. but the future is coming whether we like it or not, and we have to play catchup as quickly as possible. so to your point about transformational change, as president, everyone will know that i won the white house because i've run on this dividend of $1,000 a month. so the democrats will be so thrilled to have gotten donald trump out of there, they'll say let's do it.

it's going to make kids and families stronger and healthier. here's the kicker, chris. republicans are going to look at this and say, wait, am i against the dividend? it helps rural areas, red states on the interior that have gotten blasted by automation. and the one state that's had a dividend for almost 30 years is a deep red, conservative state, alaska, passed by a republican governor. so we don't need all of the republicans in congress to get onboard. we just need a handful of them. but that's what my chain ampaig about. that's how i'm going to get things done in congress because if i feel off 10%, 20% of republicans in congress who say, wait a minute, this is actually a huge win for kentucky, for missouri, et cetera, et cetera, then we can make real changes. >> a couple questions for andrew before we get him go. >> i just have a big picture question. you have made the debate stage. a lot of people who have been sitting governors and senators

and members of the house have not and have had to drop out. how have you felt and how did you feel tonight versus the first three times that you did this? i just kind of want to get a sense of what it's like to be andrew yang on the stage, having never served in politics before. >> i think i referenced it at the last cnn debate in detroit where i talked about like the reality tv show, and it's definitely been a real learning experience for me. >> but now you're more in the groove. you've done it four times now. >> certainly now. i have to say again, hats off to cnn -- >> you can say it again and again. >> i just feel -- >> look at david when you say it because he's the political director. >> and "the new york times." >> dana and i are just here. >> because i think that with each debate, certainly the two debates that cnn has run, i felt like we got a chance to dig into some of the most important topics, and that got me much more comfortable and excited rather than running down loose

balls and kind of like these sort of marginal questions that i think were the case in some of the other debates. >> as i always say whenever i interview you, we can debate whether the ideas are saleable, but you make people think critically about what's being said around them. you're provocative. andrew, thank you very much. i look forward to you continuing the debate. >> thank you. elizabeth warren, the senator tonight certainly got the most attention from the others on the table. they'll say she got heat. i don't know. i think she got attention, but we'll debate that, and you're going to have jake with the senator next. so don't miss that. it's amazing what you can uncover

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i believe in it. and i'm strengthening those muscles every day because i'm going to take on donald trump, and i'm going to beat him. >> there did seem to be -- first of all, beto o'rourke suggested you want to punish billionaires. and there also seemed to be this theme that you're not being straight with the american people because you're not saying middle class voters, yes, your taxes will go up, but your overall costs will go down. so overall you're going to end up paying less the way i just said it. >> so, you know, starting with the question about punish people, look, the way i look at this is that the top one-tenth of 1%, everybody who has more than $50 million in assets, could pay two cents on their 50 millionth and first dollar. keep your first 50 million free and clear. you all can relax. but two cents.

and with two cents, what we can do is invest in an entire generation. it's universal child care, universal pre-k, raise the wages of all our child care workers and preschool teachers. it's universal college. it's $50 billion into historically black colleges and universities, and it's cancel student loan debt for 95% of the folks who have got it. that's what you can do with two cents on the top one-tenth of 1%. and as i said onstage during this debate, it's not that i'm mad at them. it's that we all invested in a country, in infrastructure. we invested in educating our kids. we invested in things that are necessary to build a great fortune like that. and if you make it that big, pitch in two cents so an entire generation has a chance to make it because ultimately this is about our values.

if it is more important to leave the two cents with the richest one-tenth of 1% rather than with our babies, rather than with kids who are getting crushed by student loan debt, i think that's just fundamentally wrong and it's a different vision of what you think america should be. >> what about the criticism from your colleagues, klobuchar, buttigieg, others that you're not being straight because you're not just saying, middle class tax, middle class people, yes, your taxes will go up, but your overrule coall costs are g go down. >> the way i see is we know there are a lot of different cost estimates for medicare for all and they vary by trillions and trillions of dollars. we know there are a lot of different revenue streams. i've made my commitment clear. i will not sign a bill into law that raises costs for middle class families. and keep in mind on this, i spent a big hunk of my life on why families go broke. this was what i was doing for a

long, long time. and of course as we know, one of the number one answers is it's health care costs. and when i was studying it, two out of every three families that filed bankruptcy following a serious medical problem had health insurance. these are families that are struggling with the cost of health care. i talk to these people every day when i'm out on the campaign trail, at town halls, when i'm doing selfies afterwards. this is what middle class families are struggling with. >> and they hear what you're saying, and they don't care about the criticism from your colleagues? >> they hear that the costs are too high for them. >> mm-hmm. >> the number of people i have met who have described terrible medical problems -- oh, in fact, i'll tell you one that i met out in carson city, nevada, just a couple of weeks ago. a woman who said, i had the

gold-plated insurance. i had the fabulous, wonderful, triple underline insurance. and then the medical treatment i needed to save my life was going to cost about $125,000. you know what her insurance company said? no. just no. she fought them. she argued with them. and, you know, time's running out. she actually needs the treatment. and that's where families are stuck. so what do they do at that point? do you cash out your retirement savings? do you put a second mortgage on the house? these are the kinds of choices people are being forced into. so what i'm hearing on the stage is about people who are just -- they can't manage the costs of america's health care. everyone i talk with talks about how premiums have gone up. >> mm-hmm. >> they talk about how co-pays have gone up. they talk about how deductibles

have gone up. they talk about how doctors are out of network so they can't go see the doctors they want to see. this is a health care system that puts more and more hardworking families at risk. >> and the plans being proposed by joe biden or amy klobuchar or pete buttigieg, which are essentially either you can buy into medicare or it has the public option that obamacare originally was going to offer but they can't get it through the senate, they would not be able to accomplish what medicare for all would accomplish. >> you know, do the math on this. medicare for all is the gold standard, and i actually don't think anybody argues with this. it is the way you get everybody covered at the lowest possible cost. so when they say they're going to put a whole lot less money into it, whatever numbers they're coming up with, what they're really saying is there are going to be a lot of people left behind. >> i want to -- i'm sorry. i want to bring in john king. everybody is going to get a shot. >> this has come up repeatedly. i'm really interested in why you

stay where you stay. there are cynics who say if you win the nomination, you're going to try to move to the center. that's what some people say. that's why you won't talk more about this. but isn't it a fact that the bernie sanders medicare for all plan, which as of this moment you are onboard with, right? >> mm-hmm. >> it says quite specifically, middle class taxes will go up, correct? >> so what medicare for all describes is the kind of health care coverage we are going to provide as a country. the cost estimates on it are in lots of different places, and they vary by literally trillions and trillions of dollars depending on how this lands. the same thing is true for the revenue streams. so where i am -- and i think this is the right place to be -- is to say, look, here's the commitment we need to make. it's a cost commitment. and this is why i talk about -- think about what it means if you say to families, go have your health insurance. we're done with you. yeah, you're done with them

until the person i met who needed $125,000 for one treatment to save her life, and her insurance company just looked at her and said no. >> i don't mean to interrupt, but quickly if you can, do you worry, though -- and mr. axelrod lived through this. it was incredibly hard, doing something the democrats believe to this day was the right thing to do, passing the affordable care act. things like you can keep your doctor, the american penal loop looked at like you lied to us. overall when you take away private insurance, your co-pays, your other costs, your overall costs will go down, but, yes, your taxes might go up some. >> my commitment is i will not sign a bill into law that raises costs on middle class families, and i understand -- >> costs.

>> the good lord knows that president obama had to live through this. president carter -- or clinton lived through it when they tried and lost before. that the insurance companies are out there trying to sell the message every single day that this is all about costs. and here's the deal. it is about costs. it's about the costs they're imposing on the american people when they raise their premiums, when they raise their deductibles, and when they suck tens of billions of dollars out of the system for their profits. let's stop for a minute and remember every dollar of profit that an insurance company made last year was made by saying one word -- no. no. no to your coverage. no to the medical care you need. no to the doctor. >> nia? >> senator warren, you are noted for having plans for everything, right? >> yep. >> you don't have your specific

plan for medicare for all. it's basically bernie sanders' plan that you've signed on to. can you imagine in the coming months that you would put out your own plan that addresses some of these concerns that people have about private insurance, some of the concerns that unions have as well, and some of the concerns that people have about their taxes going up? >> so i do endorse medicare for all. i think it is the right approach for us to use. and the reason for that is everything i have seen says this is the way we can cover everyone at the lowest possible cost. i don't think we should live in an america where people can't get the health care coverage they want, especially people who have health insurance. it's not a choice to say to someone, you know, i'm sorry, but the prescription medication that your doctor said you need is just not going to be available to you. figure out whether or not to reach in your pocket and pay for the prescription or to pay this

month's rent. and that's what millions of people are doing, some variation on that, all across this country, and it's got to stop. and as democrats, that's the fight we should be in. >> senator, as a parent of a child who had a chronic illness, i've tangled with the insurance companies my lifetime. >> i bet you have. >> and i hear your argument. but just to follow up on nia's point, are you saying that the medicare for all bill that is in the senate, that you signed onto, bernie sanders' bill, is the plan that you are running on and the plan that you will try and implement when you become -- if you become president of the united states? you're not going to have your own plan. you're satisfied with the sanders plan. >> i think it's a good plan. i think medicare for all is the way that we make sure that everybody gets covered at the lowest possible cost and that you and a lot of people like you do not have to spend hours on the phone arguing with insurance

companies only to be told no. >> can you guarantee -- and i know that's a hard thing to do. but can you guarantee that what people might save on the cost of their health insurance would be more than what they might have to pay in additional taxes? >> so i said i will not sign a bill into law that does not reduce costs for middle class families. >> but what about the tax part of it? that's what i'm asking. if there's an equation here -- >> you just heard it. this is the point i'm trying to make, and i've made here. families are dealing with costs. >> right. >> the tens of thousands of people who come through the selfie line to me talk about their costs, and many, many of them have health insurance or at least they had health insurance

until they developed the really serious illness, till the child was diagnosed with cancer, and then their insurance company said not so much. we don't want you anymore. >> but if your estimates -- you say that the estimates of what medicare for all would cost vary by trillions and trillions of dollars. how can you even make an assurance as to how this is going to pencil out? >> because there are multiple revenue streams. >> like taxes? >> many of them are identified already, that there are multiple revenue streams. but what we do know is that medicare for all is the way we cover everybody in this country at the lowest possible cost. and here's the thing. go ahead. >> you're better than i am on math and policy. >> nah. >> i'm not going to argue about that. i want to talk about just the politics of it. >> uh-huh. >> i know people. >> mm-hmm. >> people don't like to be forced. >> mm-hmm. >> it sounds to me when you say medicare for all, maybe even if

you don't want it, that you're forcing people. so when mayor pete said, medicare for all, who wants it, i like that. right now, to ride the subway, you'd have to be very poor, medicaid, or very old, medicare. what pete's saying is if you want to ride that subway, you can ride it. but if you want to be on a lyft, an uber, get a pogo stick, you can do that too. you're saying, you got to get in the subway. i don't care if i want a lyft, a helicopter, get in the subway. why is that good politics? don't you people like americans are going to feel like you're forcing something on them they don't want? isn't that a brilliant metaphor? >> let me tell you how i think about this. >> great question. >> she didn't say yes. let the record reflect. >> i think about this as we should leave no one behind in this country, and any proposal that is about here's some

medicare, it's medicare for people who can afford it. it's not medicare for all. it's medicare for all who can afford it. and that means by definition, because we can do the math on this, it's going to leave millions of people behind. and every time somebody says, no, no, no, i'll cover them, then the question is, why isn't medicare for all? >> okay. so here's the thing. you're making your argument about the people who might get left out because they're too poor. i'm talking about the people -- >> no, it's not just too poor. >> or get screwed by some mean -- >> or too sick or too -- >> you're looking at the folks at the bottom. >> no, it's not. it's middle class families. >> but, look, stay with me now. middle class people, poor people, that's your concern. and you say, i don't want those people to be left out. but what about the people who could opt out and want to have their freedom to opt out? do you care about them and their freedom to opt out? >> look, what i care about is that they don't get pushed out because that's what's happening right now with insurance

companies. >> yeah, but -- >> can we just stop and acknowledge that that's what insurance companies do? >> i see it every day. >> all across this country. i just want you to pause for a minute about what that means. i had a young man stand up at a town hall and explain that he had been diagnosed with m.s., and his insurance company refused to pay for one of his treatments. he'd started down the treatment line, and his explanation of it was that here he was, he had insurance. he fights with his insurance company. no, no, no, no, no, until he finally ends up in the public system, but understand this. he described it as, i have now a lesion in my brain that is an inch long, that i will carry for all my life. and for anyone who understands about m.s., this is a deteriorating condition, and it never gets better. what you try to do is hold off its getting worse. i hope with investments in

medical research, we get to a point we can reverse it, but we can't right now. and an insurance company, a man who is fully insured, said, you know, we're just not going to pay for this. and so long as that is the case, what that's going to keep doing to people is they think they're covered. the woman i talked with out in nevada, she thought she was covered right up until an insurance company said no. >> yeah. >> and we can't be that america. we can do a better job of delivering health care for all of our people. and here's the deal. understand this. man, i'm ready to get out there and fight for it because where the fight's going to be in the general election is between democrats who are fighting to make sure that people are covered across this country and republicans who are working every single day to try to take away health care for millions of americans.

the lawsuits are proceeding. the work they're doing in the administration, millions of people have lost their health care coverage since donald trump has become president. we're going to have that fight, i tell you. i'm happy to be a democrat because democrats believe in health care for america. >> senator, your staff is telling us that we have to let you go. you've been very generous with your time. before you go, i do want to get your reaction, senator bernie sanders on the stage alluded to the fact he was having a big rally in queens and he was going to have special guests. cnn has been told by sources that congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez from new york, ilhan omar from minnesota, and rashida tlaib from michigan are going to be endorsing senator sanders. >> mm-hmm. >> you're in the progressive lane with him as well. i know that those are three allies of yours as well. what do you make of that? are you disappointed that they're not endorsing you? >> look, i have great respect for all three of those women. i think they are terrific, and here's what i know for sure. when this primary is over, we're all going to be on the same

side. >> senator elizabeth warren, democrat, of massachusetts, thank you so much for your time. really appreciate you answering all our questions. beto o'rourke is going to join us next as our debate coverage continues live from ohio. thank you so much,ment st. stay with us.

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all right. we're joined now by beto o'rourke. we're all here. thank you very much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> let's do a quick plus-minus. on the plus side, you created a problem for senator warren. i know you don't want to offend anybody. >> maybe it's an opportunity for senator warren. >> i like that positive spin. that's why i wear the black suit. it's always cynical. she's having a hard time owning the reality that medicare for all means tax increases for the middle class. the argument is it will offset ultimately with cost. costs will come down, but taxes are going to go up. she will not say the taxes will go up part. why? >> i don't know, and i wish that she would just come out and say it one way or the other. >> did you know that she would not answer the question when you brought it up the way you did on the stage? >> i've known that in the past she has refused to answer the question, and i just think on

something as fundamentally important as health care, for all the reasons she cares about and i care about and we all care about it, we've really got to level with the american people about how we will accomplish universal, guaranteed, high-quality care. and one of the differences between our two plans is in hers, you're forced to leave your private insurance and go to medicare. you don't lose insurance. you're just going to be forced to go to medicare. and in mine, we're going to have universal care, but those who have a plan that works for them and their families, members of unions who fought and negotiated for those plans, are able to keep them if they work for them. and we're going to level with people. we will not raise taxes on any family that makes $250,000 or less in this country. >> so that's different than bernie sanders' plan, which is what elizabeth warren right now seems to be adopting. how big a problem do you think it is if your nominee is elizabeth warren and she has this hanging over her head that she's not being straight about taxes, a la you can keep your doctor? >> i think on all issues that are important to our fellow

countrymen and women, we have to be absolutely care. that's true on health care, on guns, on the economy, on confronting climate change. people want to know that we have real answers and a real path to be able to get there. and then what i have found is regardless of party or other differences, they very often want to join. as long as they know that there is a way to get there. that's the surest, best way to bring america in, to make sure we don't only define the goals but the path everyone can join. >> you be straight. on the plus side, you brought this issue up tonight. it's resonating. the senator has to deal with it. i don't think it's gone so well that far. we'll see. the gun buyback didn't seem to sell with people on the stage. the scary part is you're going to go and take guns from people. you say, i believe they will respect the law. one, you'd have to have that violate, which very well might violate the constitution. two, it is exactly the slippery slope that people are afraid of if they are gun owners. >> yeah. i'm not so worried about the

slippery slope or the constitutionality. i think this passes constitutional muster, and we know that a conservative justice like antonin scalia -- >> confiscation? >> i'm not talking about confiscation to be clear. i'm talking about a mandatory buyback, and that is founded on a faith in this country and our fellow americans that they will follow the law just as they follow every other law that is on the books. but if we allow the polling or the conventional political wisdom to dictate what we do or what we don't do, then we're not going to make progress on guns. and a country that loses 40,000 people to gun violence every single year, they're going to see more massacres like the one that we saw in el paso or midland, odessa, or dayton, ohio, the state we're in right now. >> you're talking about 2% of the gun problem. i was with you in el paso. i've been to two dozen communities struck that way. it's a horrible reality. it's 2% of our problem. mental illness is 60% of our problem when it comes to gun deaths. >> no, i don't think so.

>> yes. >> i think it does a disservice to those who have a mental illnessme illness. >> statistically much more likely to be victims but they are 60% of gun deaths, suicide. >> so you're talking about suicide in particular? >> oh, yeah. >> absolutely. so a couple things that we know are going to help. one, universal background checks. two, red flag laws. if someone is showing that they will be a harm to themselves or someone else, we can stop them before it is too late. raising the age of purchase from 18 to 21, we know that suicidal ideation from the moment you think about it to the moment you act is a very short period of time. >> right. and you got to identify and get people treatment. >> it's more difficult when you're younger. and i think you look at march for our lives, those students in florida. they were able to help raise the age of purchase in that state. we know that is possible. we know that it saves lives, and it's not mutually exclusive from working on the other fronts of gun violence or other challenges that we have in this country like access to mental health care. >> understood. >> some states like texas, largest provider is the criminal

justice system. that's absolutely wrong, expensive, and immoral. >> let's get some questions in here. dana? >> on this issue, real quick, just to follow on this issue, you really got into it with mayor pete buttigieg on this. as you telegraphed before this debate that probably would happen, and he responded to you very clearly, i don't need lessons from you on courage, personal or professional. how do you take that? >> of course he doesn't, and there's not a question in my mind about mayor buttigieg's personal courage. but when it comes to political courage to defying the polls and the conventional political wisdom, that's what we need to see in a leader. if we waited for the polling to check out or for a consensus to form on civil rights or on voting rights or on anything that is important to any one of us, we would never make progress in this country. we don't want to run this country by poll takers and weathermen. we want to run it by leaders who understand what we have to do and help to bring the rest of the country along with us. that's what we need to do if we're going to end this epidemic

of gun violence. >> my question is simple. you've seen your kind of standing in this race take a hit in the last six months. what do you identify as the thing you need to do to win some of those supporters back, to juice some of the fund-raising numbers, and to get the campaign back on track? >> you know, over this last quarter, we saw our best month-over-month performance of the campaign. after the last debate, we had our greatest 48-hour period of fund-raising. we raised 1 million more than we had the previous quarter. signups on the website, beto o'rourke.com, to volunteer or knock on doors, all those are going through the roof as well. then i see it reflected in the passion and the urgency of those who come to see us at our events in iowa or in tucson or phoenix, arizona, two places that aren't often visited by presidential candidates. so my hope is that by seeing things clearly, speaking honestly, acting decisively, and bringing everyone in to the conversation, especially those who are too often left behind or left out of it altogether, we

have a chance to demonstrate the kind of leadership that i would provide as president and hopefully connect with people in a way that correlates with the polling, which is so important to qualify for these future debates. >> can i just switch topics for one quick second? you did a town hall with cnn earlier this week in los angeles. on lgbt issues you were asked flat-out about whether or not you'd get rid of the tax-exempt status for religious organizations and other organizations that did not believe in same-sex marriage or allow same-sex marriages to take place. you had a really simple answer. it was one word. you said, yes, i want to get rid of tax-exempt status. do you think that answer sort of pushes some people away that maybe you would want to bring in because there are people who work at religious organizations and it is fundamentally against their beliefs and the separation of church and state suggests to them that their status should not be threatened by the fact that they don't see in their practice performing a same-sex

marriage. >> yeah. i agree with them that they should be able to believe whatever they believe. they should be able to practice their faith in whatever way they choose, and that should in no way compromise their freedom to do that or their tax-exempt status if they're a nonprofit organization. but if they offer some service in the public sphere, whether it is adoption services or health care or higher education and discriminate based on gender identity or sexual orientation or race or ethnicity or any other difference, then not only do i think that is wrong and against the law, especially if we sign into law the equality act, but i also think that it should cost them their tax-exempt status. and it's not idle speculation or a novel idea. we know that bob jones university in 1983 lost their tax-exempt status for discriminating on the basis of race. so i had watched some of those earlier town halls on cnn earlier in the day and understood that the spirit of the question was discrimination in the public atmosphere.

of course in your mosque, in your temple, in your church, in your synagogue, that is your business, not mine, nor is it the government's. but the moment you offer a public service, public accommodation, you are held to a higher standard. as president, i'm going to make sure that we do that. >> beto o'rourke, three hours on the stage, three very sharp minds here. you get a break with me. thank you for joining us. good luck going forward. >> appreciate it. >> thanks to all of you for making the coverage even better than it would have been if it were just me. coming up in a moment from ohio, we have a lot more analysis about where tonight takes us going forward. stay with cnn. when i showed my mom the dna results,

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back here with our big brains here in ohio. kirsten, we didn't get to you. you didn't get a chance to ask senator elizabeth warren a question. you're a medicare for all supporter. what would you have asked her? >> i'd just like to know what she'd do if she won and there is still a republican senate and maybe some democrats who maybe aren't that excited about medicare for all. what would she do? is there a plan "b"? would she take a half a loaf?

i agree with her this is a crisis in the health care system, but what's the backup plan considering that it's such a contentious issue? >> because they couldn't even get the public option through with democratic senate. >> right. i think this is the part of the conversation as we have this in-depth in the weeds policy conversation that is great around medicare for all that we're missing is that everything that the candidates are proposing right now are the starting points for an eventual negotiation. so when you see amy klobuchar talk about, well, we need the public option. that's basically where we started in 2010. i don't want to start back there. why don't we start farther to the left and then we move slightly more to the center as we have to deal with other democrats and republicans? i think people aren't trying to find a letter perfect plan for health care. i think they're trying to find a leader that they trust to have the conversation with the right priorities in mind to get the final outcome after a lot of discussion. >> so here's a question i have

for democrats, which would be, why aren't you talking about how republicans are -- >> yeah. >> -- going to take away your pre-existing condition? because that is so important to voters. >> republicans are already so underwater on are you more or less trusted on health care or the economy it almost goes without saying that republicans want to take away your health care. >> well, i don't think it goes without saying. >> we should keep saying it. you're right. >> i think you have to keep saying it. >> well, democrats won the health care debate in 2018 by stressing the issues you're talking about. if the debate becomes whether or not you're going to eliminate private insurance, i think that the onus could shift and i think that's what republicans would like to do is get the onus off of themselves for what they've done on health care. i will tell you, i was with harry reid, senator reid over the weekend, did a show with him and he knows elizabeth warren very well. he'll promote her career. recruited her for the senate. put her in leadership. he said she's far more pragmatic than people realize and i

predict she will moderate on this issue. she will find some middle ground on this issue. that may be, but she was -- wasn't exactly letting on here. >> yeah. the question is when does she do it, right? after she wins the general? after she wins the primary. who knows if she's going to win the primary. does she do it in a couple of months? she has talked about medicare for all as a framework, so maybe there is some wiggle room, and we'll see. bernie sanders a obviously wants to make this an issue. pete buttigieg wants to make this an issue as well. i want to get something in about biden. i thought biden's strongest moment in the debate was when he answered the age question. and he basically i think made the whole case for his candidacy, which is -- it sounds like a cliche in some ways, he's ready on day one, his age is about wisdom and sort of re -- putting america back on track. and i thought that was a really good answer to that question. i think it's why people like him, and i think it's an issue

for pete buttigieg, right? his big struggle is going to be can people imagine a 37-year-old mayor in the white house in 2020? so i think that was a really strong suit for biden, his strongest answer from tonight. >> i think the weakest point overall joe biden had a pretty strong debate. the weakest point when anderson cooper asked him a question. if i'm president, my son hunter will not be involved in any business dealings. if that's the standard for a president, why wasn't it the standard when you were vice president? >> didn't answer it. >> there are two tracks here. we're having a conversation about how the republicans would use some of this in the general electorate. the first question is what do the democratic voters want? how much do these differences matter to democrats. their first answer if you ask them is we want to beat trump. do they process in medicare for all, taxes on the middle class? is the minutia that important to them or are they watching these debates to see who is the best

boxer? >> van, your final take. >> we've got an extraordinary progressive in warren. and we have right now still a mediocre moderate in biden. what we don't have yet is an extraordinary moderate. and you saw buttigieg trying to get there. you saw klobuchar trying to get there. we need somebody to have -- to really have this debate the right way. you've got to have two real heavyweights on both sides. look, you know, biden didn't do as badly as he has done. i still feel the air is coming out of biden. i just don't see it. so there is an opportunity. i thought pete -- i thought tonight -- we talked about a lot of people, we talked about a lot of stuff, i still think tonight was the night you saw pete buttigieg 2.0, passionate pete, pistol pete, you could see this thing shaping up as warren versus pete. >> can i just say buttigieg -- >> yeah. >> can he expand beyond -- >> that's the big question. >> white college educated voters. i'm told that's all the time we have. thanks, one and all, for being

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